Topic: SEA comming out !

Yes only time will tell us. What i dont agree with is this

top people spending money on .US and hurt their business either enough to close them down or possibly to sell their rights to Chris.

I already said why ppls stopped using money on those server, and Chris had already the rights and the license. I am sure of it because first G4box and GF denied the existence of SEA, then they said was a private server then they asked a IP Block. If Chris didnt had any rights why set up all this mess against tec?

People are quite happy to settle especially when there's no alternative. An easy example I can give is, before Chris announced .sea there were more people selling MP than people wanting to buy, after he announced, well 90% of the sellers started buying mp themselves...I wonder why 

I don't understand why you're always quick to jump up and down and say this is this and that is that when there's no evidence for either side T_T at least i'm honest enough to say this is my own idle musings.

Can i equate it to saying God doesn't exist because people use the proof that there is no physical evidence and put it on the religious to prove it since they believe it?  ...yes i'm mildly equating Chris to God but whatever, a good deal of blind nincompoops (i can't believe it's actually a word) already worship him so why not. 

U gave the answer by urself, there arent any prooves of what u r saying, so u r just speculating or saying bullshits.

How u know that many players stopped selling mps? if u stopped dosnt means that the others did too. And u said that ppls stopped buying mps now u say this:

well 90% of the sellers started buying mp themselves

Make up ur mind?

If a company is healty there is no rumor or speculation that might harm her, subagames wasnt good and he passed the game, thats my evidence, where is urs?

*sigh* ok i'll try to simplify it.

people stopped buying mp with money and started buying it with ingame gold from the few people who still sold to people ingame. I know this because I had quite a few of them ask to buy from me. Can you wrap your head around that part yet?

Your evidence is...sorry, I missed you actually having any evidence more than deadlines that for one reason after another aren't ever met =o

many people weren't happy with metin, however they were content and were still buying mp, then Chris announced his new server coming out in 2 weeks (i'd like to note that was at least 4 months ago) and people pretty much even lost the will to farm/level and just stood in town. (I know this from talking with a huge deal of people who were all just..meh why bother i'm going to .sea soon..and that was a good 85% of how people felt). It's also been mentioned several times, that any halfwit could tell it is impossible to set a server up from scratch in 2 weeks, so the question remains, why was it announced so very very early. I doubt you'd want to call Chris an ignoramus. (it's someone who's *speaks slowly* reallllllly ignorant)

Who dosnt buy mp from players for gold? If the player is a 100% trustfull seller all high level players that has gold would prefer to buy mp for gold rather then touch their own wallet. Thats normal

My evidence is that suba was in bad waters with or without the sea server announcement. And its dead. There is no more suba. It didnt passed only metin2 but also crossfire so the income were very low on both game. I never heard crossfire SEA lol do u?

And the delay is due to complains from g4box and gf sides. The tryed to keep the few customers left. This is the reason given by TEC if u dont want believe it then its another story.

...ever get the feeling your watching a prize fight here between those two?...anyone got popcorn?

Part truth, and part assumption/guessing.

My evidence is that suba was in bad waters with or without the sea server announcement. And its dead. There is no more suba.

Suba and G4BOX partnered. Suba officially states that they are not dead and that their other 3 titles (ace online, prison tale and the prison tale 2 game) will be ok. {1} {2}

It didnt passed only metin2 but also crossfire so the income were very low on both game. I never heard crossfire SEA lol do u?

Suba and G4BOX partnered. Metin2 and crossfire are G4BOX's titles {3}, so if G4BOX ends their partnership with Suba, then of course it is crossfire and metin2 that is removed from Suba. This does not mean that either game is low income, that part is only your own guess. {4}

And the delay is due to complains from g4box and gf sides. The tryed to keep the few customers left. This is the reason given by TEC if u dont want believe it then its another story.

Unfortunately no solid proof is available anywhere (an email from a GMAIL account owner posing to be one of YMIR's PR contacts of course is not credible)

No other server speaks of this or blocks any IP ranges to other countries.

Many people I'm sure are excited about SEA and would like to play there or at least try it out. I would like to try out SEA too, if it is ever released.

But you have to realise that alot of people don't care about SEA. US will lose its "few players left"? There are alot of players on US and alot of new players appearing. SEA will not destroy US. Look at UK, their server is hilariously pathetic, yet they still have a loyal player following.

Priston tale and ace online dosnt have anymore a forum. about priston tale 2 that game hit the record of the most delayed closed beta game. How many attemp of launching that game were made? 7? or more?

and metin 2 currently has no forum either, your point? lol

And what does it matter if you bring up Priston Tale 2, only relevance I can see is that Chris is wanting to take the record of most delayed beta?

Crono you have a habit of ignoring the points people make and simply attempt to distract, it's quite the crappy way of argueing....boring too lol

Actually i was stating how crappy subagames works. Even if metin2 is of g4box they still used subagames as portal so they are responsable about how crap the game was in this months. And nothing changed since z8 forum is still down lol. But i already said this.

About u bozo when u decide something in ur life (by starting with ur nick lol) let me know!

And lol lets analize the points since u like to mention

My personal opinion is that it was done knowing that the server wouldn't be opened soon (if ever?) but on the pretense that it would stop people spending money on .US and hurt their business either enough to close them down or possibly to sell their rights to Chris.

Correct if i mistake because i might translate this wrongly. U r saying that Chris dosnt have the license and tryed to lower the income of those 2 companys so that Ymir could sell him the rights? Well this is illegal in my country, 100% sure illegal in 80% of the states of Europe and i bet is illegal for the rest of the world too.

U cant spread to have the license of a game if its not true, u can be sued for this.

As for ur second point about the mps, players quitted, heavy mallers quitted, and who stayed didnt wanted to use more money on a game that didnt changed in 1 year.

As for delay of sea we know is because G4box And GF complained. Now u r free to believe what u want but still on german metin2 server if u type metin2 sea or tec interactive those 2 words appear censored ******. Is funny, u can type Sony or World of Warcraft but not sea/tec lolol.

This should make u understand that GF is realyl concerned about this new metin2 server and so is very possible that they complained about it. Yes still no evidences but still u should think about it.

Suba and G4BOX partnered. Suba officially states that they are not dead and that their other 3 titles (ace online, prison tale and the prison tale 2 game) will be ok. {1} {2}

As for this point there is no evidence that Subagames is healty while there are lot more that show the opposite.

Suba and G4BOX partnered. Metin2 and crossfire are G4BOX's titles {3}, so if G4BOX ends their partnership with Suba, then of course it is crossfire and metin2 that is removed from Suba. This does not mean that either game is low income, that part is only your own guess. {4}

Yes true but if subagames was going godly why take off this 2 games? Why end the partnership? Maybe suba is not going so well as they say lol


As for Bozo/so/to/?? W/E u wrote some times ago that u would never join SEA for idk what reasons, we would see if u will remain loyal to ur own words or if u will join showing once again to be an eternal undecided being lol. If u choose to join try to pick at least a name lol

no need to flame guys, both "parties" come with valuable oppinion and with facts.

dont be an ass and try to flame one another just coz you dont agree with it, let them see it from your perspective

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Suba and G4BOX partnered. Suba officially states that they are not dead and that their other 3 titles (ace online, prison tale and the prison tale 2 game) will be ok. {1} {2}

As for this point there is no evidence that Subagames is healty while there are lot more that show the opposite.

Suba used a merged database so that any user account from any game could login to all of the other games. Likewise this was merged to the forum database, and the item mall systems were replaced by a single universal mall system.

If G4BOX ended their agreement with subagames and therefore pulled all of their data {1, your metin2 user/pass don't work, site is missing details like hero list which relies on the user tables}, I think that would leave suba's system and database quite damaged.

Not to be a jackass but from my experience of suba's web and db guys' work, they suck, and I think this will take them a while to fix. I'm no database master but I imagine that would give me a huge headache also to fix.

Suba and G4BOX partnered. Metin2 and crossfire are G4BOX's titles, so if G4BOX ends their partnership with Suba, then of course it is crossfire and metin2 that is removed from Suba. This does not mean that either game is low income, that part is only your own guess.

Yes true but if subagames was going godly why take off this 2 games? Why end the partnership? Maybe suba is not going so well as they say lol

Nobody can know unless it is explained by somebody who does know. Notice there are no "bunny ears" around those "knows"

In the business world, the year is divided up into quarters. G4BOX's partnership with suba started in January, Q1 this year {2}, and this split has occured at the end of Q3 / Start of Q4 {3}. Maybe they disagreed with some of suba's management decisions and decided not to extend their contract with suba. Maybe G4BOX did something bad and suba kicked them and their games out.


As for the other stuff, everyone knows Gameforge sucks.

sorry but im gunna say this again, i dont want any flame but it will be directed.

@Bozo= you say things like you know what is happening, with chris, with the server. heres a few tips you might consider.
Tip1: if you dont like the game and how things are going, dont play it.
Tip2:if you cant fine a game you like, make a game.
Tip3: stop talking about things you dont know anything about, you know as much as the rest of us do, absolutely nothing.


To Everyone:
No need to flame here. lets keep on topic.

My Opinion:
I agree Suba wasnt the best, and yes i do think the data has somehow been corrupted from switching so much. they should have left it alone.

for their forums.... does it really necessary need to be down for this long. but whatever the reason is wont matter. i wont be around anyways for when they pull their heads out of their ass and fix it.

and that fake post of an email.... that was kinda stupid. im positive the would use their own company as their email.

thats my 2 cents.

My Opinion:
I agree Suba wasnt the best, and yes i do think the data has somehow been corrupted from switching so much. they should have left it alone.

sorry, i was talking about the forums. i fliped the 2 paragraphs.